I recently added an old HB stein which is #5643 to my collection. It dates from the late-1870's to mid- 1880's. It has a flat lid with the HB on the lid without the crown above it, and an acorn thumblift. The body has a crudely etched HB, is combed, and has the measure on the front. I haven't yet received it in the mail, but will post more pictures when it arrives.